diff --git a/conans/client/graph/graph_binaries.py b/conans/client/graph/graph_binaries.py
index 8f5a925e33d..fa5a9542f20 100644
--- a/conans/client/graph/graph_binaries.py
+++ b/conans/client/graph/graph_binaries.py
@@ -394,6 +394,17 @@ def _compute_package_id(self, node, default_package_id_mode, default_python_requ
                                           default_python_requires_id_mode=
                                           default_python_requires_id_mode)
         conanfile.original_info = conanfile.info.clone()
+
+        # Call the package id before any compatibility, as the other way around
+        # compatibile packages will be cloned from a wrong info set. How?
+        # If the package id erases a few options / settings and it is done AFTER
+        # compatibility, the compatible packages will still look for packages 
+        # containing those - later erased - options, settings
+        with conanfile_exception_formatter(str(conanfile), "package_id"):
+            with conan_v2_property(conanfile, 'cpp_info',
+                                   "'self.cpp_info' access in package_id() method is deprecated"):
+                conanfile.package_id()
+
         if not self._cache.new_config["core.package_id:msvc_visual_incompatible"]:
             msvc_compatible = conanfile.info.msvc_compatible()
             if msvc_compatible:
@@ -403,12 +414,6 @@ def _compute_package_id(self, node, default_package_id_mode, default_python_requ
         if apple_clang_compatible:
             conanfile.compatible_packages.append(apple_clang_compatible)
 
-        # Once we are done, call package_id() to narrow and change possible values
-        with conanfile_exception_formatter(str(conanfile), "package_id"):
-            with conan_v2_property(conanfile, 'cpp_info',
-                                   "'self.cpp_info' access in package_id() method is deprecated"):
-                conanfile.package_id()
-
         if hasattr(conanfile, "validate") and callable(conanfile.validate):
             with conanfile_exception_formatter(str(conanfile), "validate"):
                 try:
diff --git a/conans/model/info.py b/conans/model/info.py
index 0cee4a20ff4..798964708b8 100644
--- a/conans/model/info.py
+++ b/conans/model/info.py
@@ -600,12 +600,15 @@ def msvc_compatible(self):
             compatible.settings.compiler.cppstd = cppstd
 
         from conan.tools.microsoft.visual import msvc_version_to_vs_ide_version
-        visual_version = msvc_version_to_vs_ide_version(version)
-        compatible.settings.compiler.version = visual_version
-        runtime = "MT" if runtime == "static" else "MD"
-        if runtime_type == "Debug":
-            runtime = "{}d".format(runtime)
-        compatible.settings.compiler.runtime = runtime
+        if version is not None:
+            visual_version = msvc_version_to_vs_ide_version(version)
+            compatible.settings.compiler.version = visual_version
+
+        if runtime is not None and runtime_type is not None:
+            runtime = "MT" if runtime == "static" else "MD"
+            if runtime_type == "Debug":
+                runtime = "{}d".format(runtime)
+            compatible.settings.compiler.runtime = runtime
 
         # Some 'final adjustment'
         # In case the cppstd is the 'default' for the compiler, it will actually be erased
diff --git a/conans/test/integration/package_id/compatible_test.py b/conans/test/integration/package_id/compatible_test.py
index 725b723739c..51f361b62d9 100644
--- a/conans/test/integration/package_id/compatible_test.py
+++ b/conans/test/integration/package_id/compatible_test.py
@@ -771,3 +771,27 @@ def package_info(self):
         client.run("install . -o pkg/*:optimized=3")
         assert "pkg/0.1@user/stable: Already installed!" in client.out
         assert f"pkg/0.1@user/stable:{package_id} - Cache" in client.out
+
+
+def test_crash():
+    client = TestClient()
+    conanfile = textwrap.dedent("""
+       from conans import ConanFile
+
+       class Pkg(ConanFile):
+           settings = "os", "compiler"
+           def package_id(self):
+               del self.info.settings.compiler.version
+       """)
+    profile = textwrap.dedent("""
+       [settings]
+       os = Windows
+       compiler=msvc
+       compiler.version=192
+       compiler.runtime=dynamic
+       compiler.cppstd=14
+       build_type=Release
+       """)
+    client.save({"conanfile.py": conanfile,
+                 "myprofile": profile})
+    client.run("create . pkg/0.1@ -pr=myprofile")