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Augment and standardize references #36
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Hi, I'd like to help with this issue! In particular, I am eager to walk through the book and add connections to research/evidence drawn from social computing scholarship (I had a chance to speak briefly with @quaid about this at CHAOSSCon). I have two questions -- one scope-oriented and one pragmatic. Scope: Can you say a bit more about what kinds of references and/or what approach to those references you think readers would find most helpful? I've thought of five ways that research/references might be useful in this guide -- which of these (or perhaps none?) do you think would best serve the book, and if more than one, what priority order?
Pragmatic I see a few in-text citations done in a typical style (Author, year), but I'm mindful of the fact that too many citations can bog down reading for folks that aren't accustomed to reading research papers non-stop. As an alternative, the Association of Computing Machinery (professional society for tech scholars) uses a footnote style of bracketed numbers [1]; or there's always superscripted numbers. I'm happy to follow what's already present, but wanted to ask before I went too far down this road. About me: |
Hiya @kayleachampion great to see you again! I'm starting with a resounding "YES MORE PLEASE", but let me step through this including the administrivia up front. Also, some serendipity is that Mako was directly and strongly influential on me and the ethos of the 1.0 version of the Open Source Way, possibly also some attributable content in there somewhere, perhaps in an archived Subversion repository. :) Administrivia
WowThese are great ideas, I pretty much understand what you mean and can fully envision the value, look and feel on the page, risk and reward of Too Much Information, and so on. We absolutely have been talking about a print-ready version of the guidebook (and available as print-on-demand) as a feature of the 2.1 release. The 2.1 release is currently an idea that needs some discussion on the mailing list, so there is time to look into designing it around spotlight boxes and so forth. On the other side of this from the research/academic expertise, we have contributors and friends-of-the-project with solid publishing and design/layout experience. It seems reasonable to me we can find a happy balance of whitespace, layout, and useful and accessible references. Pragmatically, my first thought was to see your five ideas done in phases, with a few ideas or even caveats around that. Whatever priority order we pick, we want to think of it in classic journalistic reverse-pyramid in case we don't get all the steps done in time for 2.1 to go to print. (We can also update a print-on-demand source, I reckon, if needed.) That suggests we open an Issue for each of the numbered items (or whatever set we settle on), which can then be assigned and worked on by you. The Issue can then be tied to one or more Pull Requests (PRs), when you are working on and/or specifically contributing content into the repo. (Note these processes that rely upon GitHub are being used for convenience, as the primary purpose of being on GitHub is the social contributing factor; it's always been on the not-yet-written-down roadmap to regularly reconsider leaving for a FLOSS platform, which is one of the reasons I have my eye on IEEE SA OPEN's assurance of using GitLab CE so as to build an all-open source git forge.) Finally, my thought on the Too Much Information question is to resolve it with design. Make it findable and available, but not overwhelming and crowding. 😁 Thanks again for your interest and enthusiasm, I'm super excited about this work and would love to help find the path to a swift and useful step one. |
Great! Thanks for the invites and warm welcome. Looking forward to plotting a solid course toward the first PR :). |
This is so great! Thanks, @kayleachampion, for jumping in here and sharing such awesome ideas. As for the Five Options Discussion, I'll simply state my preference, which at the moment is something like: standardize on footnotes as the mechanism for in-text citation ( I think end-of-chapter "Additional Resources" sections ( Regardless of what we decide, @kayleachampion I would gladly volunteer to assist you with this work (as @quaid is correct that it's something in which I'm invested). When we determine the scope of our initial foray into the work, we can rename this issue to clarify it (since "Compile References," while a succinct and hastily recorded thought, isn't perhaps the most specific description of what we're trying to accomplish here. 😄) |
Thanks for the scoping feedback @semioticrobotic :) -- seems like we are converging on a plan. One more option occurred to me: maybe an item (6) as an alternative to (1) would be an end-of-book section called "Further Reading" or similar. I have several in mind -- Benkler's Wealth of Networks, Kraut & Resnick's Building Successful Online Communities, Eghbal's Working In Public, etc. A separate section would keep this task out of the critical path for v2.1 also, since it's modular -- if it doesn't land, it can await the next release without looking awkward. For what it's worth, the online communities class I'm TA'ing is starting up next week -- we start with motivation and commitment, then talk about norms and governance, then newcomers, then topics specific to creating new communities. Roughly following this order would be particularly efficient for me. How shall we work together? I'm comfortable throwing things out there and refining it through exchange, but could also do more synchronous/pre-planned consensus style approaches as well. In case folks are curious, the syllabus is here: https://wiki.communitydata.science/Online_Communities_(UW_COM481_Winter_2022) |
Also -- looks like I don't have rename powers for issues. Whatever works for you is ok by me :). |
Awesome! Thanks, @kayleachampion, for your patience as I made my way back to the computer from holiday hiatus. First, let me say I really like your idea ( Next, then, on collaboration moving forward: I'm more than happy to following the trajectory your course is taking if that's what you're already doing (makes most sense to me). Looking at your proposal, I see the following loose order:
So I would perhaps suggest we focus work on the following chapters to get us started:
I see lots of opportunities for addition, refinement, and standardization here; these chapters all tend to treat references a bit differently, some include their own "read more" sections (which we can amalgamate into idea What do you think? If it's easy to discuss any of those synchronously, I'm more than happy to do that in a way that works for you. Just say the word. P.S.: Thanks so much for sharing your syllabus. I enjoyed reading it. Incidentally, since Wikipedia seems to serve as a primary case study for your students, I'd also suggest Nathaniel Tkacz's excellent Wikipedia and the Politics of Openness for those interested. Do let me know how your experience with a flipped class goes. I once TA'ed a flipped course and both the instructor and I found that the method didn't really produce the results we thought it would. |
(Noting a link to theopensourceway/the-project#85 for future reference. No pun intended.) |
Great! Would it make more sense for me to work in a fork and PR when I have something for you to look at? Branch or main? FWIW this class has been taught quite a few times as 'flipped' and it seems to work -- but maybe a key component of that it's coupled with a 'cold call' model. Students come to class prepared because we will be calling on them and assessing their responses, and nobody wants to look bad :) |
Are you able to simply create a new branch in this repository from which to work? I'll confess I'm always a bit confounded by GitHub team permissions but can look into getting you what you need to work this way. Thanks for the feedback on your course! |
Guidebook should feature a list of in-text references and suggested additional readings.
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