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| title: "HSF Coordination Meeting #276, 10 October 2024" | ||
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| ## Attending | ||
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| Present/Contributing: Graeme Stewart, Michel Jouvin, Patrick Gartung, Claire Antel, Stefan Roiser, Andrea Valassi, Alex Moreno, Daniel Elvira, Eduardo Rodrigues, Tommaso Lari, Patrick Gartung, Stephen Mrenna | ||
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| Apologies/Contributing: | ||
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| ## News, general matters, announcements | ||
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| ### European Strategy Update (ESPPU) | ||
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| Discussion on HSF inputs. | ||
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| See [slides](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1355758/contributions/5708314/attachments/2945044/5175250/HSF%20Inputs%20from%20European%20Strategy%20Update.pdf) attached to the agenda. | ||
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| As said in previous meetings, HSF input to ESPPU is important | ||
| * Input to last ESPPU was based on CWP: good time for CWP update | ||
| * To reflect the community view, the key actors must be the HSF activities (and thus the activity coordinators!) | ||
| * Deadline is tight: end of March 2025. Must start immediately our work to prepare the document that we'll submit. Timeline proposal: | ||
| * Now -> beginning of January: activity meetings to get the community feedback on the topic identified | ||
| * January : writing of chapter drafts | ||
| * Feb 1-15: assembling of chapters, first paper draft | ||
| * Feb 15 - March 1 : draft circulation and finalization | ||
| * March: community endorsement (something like what we did for the CWP, asking for people to sign it) | ||
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| - Claire - meetings organised by activity areas? | ||
| - Yes, we have to delegate this down to the activity area coordinators | ||
| - Tommaso - are these meetings in addition to the seminar series? | ||
| - Yes, the work required doesn't fill well into the seminars | ||
| - Alex, yes the training WG can contribute | ||
| - Eduardo, this would be a much shorter paper | ||
| - Michel, not starting from zero, we have a lot of experience already and can do this on a much shorter timescale (original CWP was ~18 months) | ||
| - Patrick - will try to schedule a mini-workshop to see where we are with the development tools and prepare input to the document | ||
| - Graeme: great idea, probably focus on-line, 1/2 day, meetings | ||
| - We shall do "checkpoints" with the groups in these coordination meetings (don't need extra ones!) | ||
| - Experiments are preparing their inputs, do we take these into account? | ||
| - Ideally yes, as people are in the experiments we hope this is not a problem | ||
| - Stephen M. (generators): ok with the proposal | ||
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| Action: Michel/Graeme will contact the relevant activities with the plan and ask them to get started | ||
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| Length? | ||
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| - 1 page too short | ||
| - 10 pages too much | ||
| - Probably the target is 3-5 pages per activity | ||
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| Mainly software matters, but sociological risks should all be covered. | ||
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| ### HSF Seminar Series | ||
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| The seminar series is up and running: | ||
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| - [Julia in high-energy physics: a paradigm shift or just another tool?](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1452314/), Uwe Acosta | ||
| - [Julia as a Statically-Compiled Language](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1462252/), Jeff Bezanson | ||
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| We would now like to advance the planning for the next events. Scheduled dates would be: | ||
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| - 30 October (it's quite soon...) | ||
| - 27 November: Generators? | ||
| - Stephen M. checks with the people involved | ||
| - 29 January | ||
| - 26 February | ||
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| Please coordinate with Michel and Benedikt! | ||
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| ## Steering Group News | ||
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| ### Advisory Group | ||
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| The [Advisory Group mandate](https://hepsoftwarefoundation.org/organization/advisory-group.html) is published. Invitations have been sent to the large HEP experiments, WLCG and the theory community (MCnet). | ||
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| ### HSF Affiliated Projects and Software | ||
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| The description of [HSF Affiliated Projects and Software](https://hepsoftwarefoundation.org/projects/affiliated.html) is now on the website. It motivates the activity and sets out some of the parameters for things like reviews, defining requirements and providing reference implementations. | ||
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| The actual [guidelines for projects](https://hepsoftwarefoundation.org/projects/guidelines.html) are on a separate page. | ||
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| - Do people know of projects (theirs or others) who would like to trial the process of becoming an affiliate? | ||
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| ## Activity Updates | ||
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| ### Data Analysis | ||
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| - Next meeting on Oct 28: https://indico.cern.ch/event/1461088/ | ||
| - focused on Scipp (https://scipp.github.io/) and ragged data. | ||
| - Room also booked at CERN | ||
| - email to DAWG sent yesterday (feel free to advertise to interested communities!). | ||
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| ### Software Training | ||
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| #### Last Events | ||
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| - [11th HEP C++ Course and Hands-on Training, Advanced C++](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1430163/) 30 September - 4 October (Mo, We, Fr). | ||
| - Attendance at CERN 18/25. | ||
| - Remote attendance 35. | ||
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| #### Next Events | ||
| - [HSF Training Pre-CHEP Workshop](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1410343/) - October 19-20. | ||
| - Saturday afternoon, from 14:00 to 18:20 CET | ||
| - Sunday morning, from 9:00 to 12:45 CET | ||
| - We will have talks from HSF-India, LHCb, EVERSE, DUNE, ErUM-Data-Hub, ATLAS, LPC HATS, CoDaS-HEP, and ICFA | ||
| - Two Working Sessions | ||
| - 57 registrants | ||
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| ### Software Tools and Packaging | ||
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| Conveners met last week Friday. Discussed putting together a mini-workshop to review the build tools used by the CERN and Fermilab experiments. | ||
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| ### Detector Simulation | ||
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| Geant4 Collaboration meeting is ongoing this week in Catania; an open session dedicated to user presentations took place today | ||
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| ### Reconstruction and Software Trigger | ||
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| - Will probably be able to finalise seminar speakers on 4D tracking for a January or February HSF seminar slot. | ||
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| ### PyHEP | ||
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| The report of the PyHEP.dev 2024 workshop (Aachen, 26 Aug - 30 Aug) is [published on the ArXiv](https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.02112). It is a community-driven document, as nearly all participants contributed to the paper. | ||
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| ### Physics Generators | ||
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| *GPUs and Generators*, will try to arrange something for the HSF Seminar series. | ||
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| ### JuliaHEP | ||
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| We had the [JuliaHEP 2024 Workshop](https://indico.cern.ch/e/juliahep2024) last week. | ||
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| - Big success, about 40 people attended in-person and up to 30 more on Zoom | ||
| - Excellent atmosphere and positive spirit | ||
| - Had three keynotes, the two HSF Seminars (see above) and a talk from Tim Besard from JuliaHub on [Introduction to GPU Programming (in Julia)](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1410341/contributions/6148708/) (which is also posted to YouTube) | ||
| - Overall about 20 talks from HEP, astroparticle and industry (ASML) | ||
| - Hackathon sessions involved a lot of discussions on Lorentz vectors and particle interfaces, as well as ROOT building/bindings and possible training material | ||
| - Discussion of the most important next topics for [JuliaHEP](https://notes.desy.de/rp4Rg15ySZqlhCEzFGrK2Q?view) was had at the end of the workshop | ||
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| ### Compute and Accelerator Forum | ||
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| - Meeting yesterday (9 October) on [RISC-V extended precision accelerators](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1329694/) from CEA colleagues Eric Guthmuller and Jérôme Fereyre | ||
| - Slides and video are available | ||
| - Next meeting 13 November, [Heterogeneous Accelerated Compute Cluster](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1329695/) by Gustavo Alonso (ETHZ) | ||
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| ## AOB | ||
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| ### Next Meeting | ||
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| Next meeting will be [7 November](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1355760/). | ||
| * The 24 October meeting is cancelled as this is the week of CHEP. | ||
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| Reminder: please [sign up](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z1Z4payCpieOLiVFcC6y9j-KCj71u6xX232LHUgIHfI/edit) for chairing this or one of the future coordination meetings - we need volunteers from now until the end of the year! | ||
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