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Use zmq-anyio #1291
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I can see with this PR that ipykernel runs on trio when hard-coding the backend here, but how can we choose e.g. from JupyterLab to set |
Nice! So it looks like for compatibility with Windows, you've gone with spawning a
This should presumably be the same as any other Kernel configuration option, so a |
Yes, and I think Tornado does something similar here. This means a Thanks for the kernel configuration, I'll try that 👍 |
It does. The big difference is Tornado starts one selector thread per event loop which is far more scalable, whereas zmq-anyio starts one per socket. This makes sense from a library simplicity standpoint since there isn't a thread running when you are done with a socket, but definitely isn't scalable and probably isn't what we should do long term (and why I think anyio should have this built-in, just like tornado). As I understand it, this means anyio will spawn up to 40 threads by default. That's might be okay for ipykernel, but I'd say it does mean we shouldn't use zmq-anyio in any client places like jupyter-client or jupyter-server. Because as soon as you've got 40 idle zmq sockets waiting for a message (what they spend most of their time doing), any subsequent calls to You might be able to provoke this in ipykernel by spawning 41 subshells and not using them, since I think each one adds a socket that will be idle. You could limit the starvation by making the |
Interesting, I hadn't thought about that. |
Sure! I think that's sensible. I don't have enough experience with the task group hierarchy stuff to know what that should look like. I think it's probably appropriate to have some tests in zmq-anyio with a lot of idle sockets (at least more than the thread count, which I think can be set to 1 or 2) to probe this stuff. If I were the one writing it, I'd implement a
You should be able to base it on anyio.wait_socket_readable which assumes A smaller, but maybe less clean and less efficient version with a one-time monkeypatch: if windows and asyncio and proactor:
# only needed once per asyncio event loop, this is the only situation where a patch is needed
loop = asyncio.get_running_loop()
loop.add_reader = selector_add_reader # from tornado's AddThreadSelector
loop.remove_reader = selector_remove_reader # from tornado's AddThreadSelector
...
# assume wait_socket_readable works, which it should now
await anyio.wait_socket_readable(socket.fromfd(zmq_sock.FD))
# hopefully anyio will fix integer FD support to match underlying asyncio and trio If you did any of those, there would be the advantage that no actual thread is spawned except in the Windows + Proactor + asyncio case, which would get exactly one thread. fwiw, I started to extract the tornado feature into its own package, but haven't tested it enough to publish a release if there's some reason to not depend on tornado for this feature (I don't think there is): https://github.com/minrk/async-selector-thread. Requiring tornado for this doesn't mean the tornado IOLoop object ever needs to be created, as the SelectorThread logic is pure asyncio, so there's really no reason not to require tornado for this as long as it's the only package with the required feature. |
@minrk this is using an AnyIO-compatible pyzmq API (from https://github.com/davidbrochart/zmq-anyio), as discussed in zeromq/pyzmq#2045.