fall back to to_pandas if interchange protocol fails

[MarcoGorelli]

Closes #3533

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[mwaskom]

I've got no issues with this but it would be helpful to understand better when it's relevant. Is the idea that a library might have bugs in the hooks that frame_dataframecalls but not in to_pandas? Do we often expect those to go through very different code paths?

[MarcoGorelli]

I've got no issues with this

Great, thanks!

Is the idea that a library might have bugs in the hooks that frame_dataframe calls but not in to_pandas?

A library can control its own to_pandas method, but for pd.api.interchange.from_dataframe, they're tied down to whatever decision pandas (and the dataframe consortium) make.

In particular, if there's a datatype not supported by the consortium, then interchanging to pandas will raise regardless of whether that column will be used or not. Doesn't look like there's any real prospect of this changing data-apis/dataframe-api#288

maybe I can get an extra argument in to pandas (like, from_dataframe(..., ignore_unsupported_columns: bool))

[mwaskom]

Thanks for explaining. TBH as an observer (but interested party) these nuances make it fairly confusing to understand what the "right" way to generically consume a dataframe object is. Not sure that that's really actionable feedback (and based on the linked thread it looks like you agree). So this feels slightly hacky but I think reasonable given the circumstances.

[MarcoGorelli]

I think the ideal way would be something like this:

https://github.com/plotly/plotly.py/blob/57e4d1d33c67c5cc715bec5c3c240dd6f4c3b10d/packages/python/plotly/plotly/express/_core.py#L1428-L1431

                columns = list(necessary_columns)
                df = pd.api.interchange.from_dataframe(
                    df.__dataframe__().select_columns_by_name(columns)
                )

but I understand that knowing in advance exactly which columns you need might not be possible without a major refactor

[mwaskom]

I gather that a relevant example looks like this:

import polars as pl
pol_df = pl.DataFrame({
    "a": pl.Series([1, 2, 3, 4]),
    "b": pl.Series([[1, 2], [3], [4, 5, 6], []]),
})

# Works, "b" column is object-typed
pol_df.to_pandas()

# Raises with "large_list<item: int64> not supported by interchange protocol"
pd.api.interchange.from_dataframe(pol_df)

(Actually, first-class list-type support would be pretty handy for seaborn 🤔...)

This makes sense to me as a current source of disagreement that we should work around.

[krz]

I'm really hoping for a fix, because this is an annoying problem I sometimes encounter.
I'm an R convert who loves both polars and seaborn.objects

For example, this works without to_pandas()

import seaborn.objects as so
import polars as pl

mpg = pl.read_csv("https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tidyverse/ggplot2/main/data-raw/mpg.csv")

(
    so.Plot(mpg, x="displ", y="hwy")
    .add(so.Dot())
)

However, this does not work:

economics = pl.read_csv("https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tidyverse/ggplot2/main/data-raw/economics.csv", try_parse_dates=True, dtypes={"pop": pl.Float32})

(
    so.Plot(economics, x="date", y="uempmed")
    .add(so.Path())
)

to_pandas() works:

(
    so.Plot(economics.to_pandas(), x="date", y="uempmed")
    .add(so.Path())
)

[MarcoGorelli]

hi @mwaskom - just for my understanding, is there anything holding this back? or will it go in with the 0.14 release?