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19:01:05 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hey, it's time. We three seem to be here; anyone else for the bug party?
19:01:11 <garyo-home> So... is it just the 3 of us tonight?
19:01:52 <stevenknight> hmm, no sign yet of Brandon or Bill
19:03:16 <stevenknight> anyway, shall we dive in to the current issues?
19:03:20 <garyo-home> Yes please.
19:03:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm ready
19:03:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2124, no Brandon...
19:03:58 <stevenknight> 2124: defer
19:03:58 <garyo-home> Race conditions: Steven, do they go away w/o a virus scanner?
19:04:08 <stevenknight> not sure, haven't had a chance to check
19:04:12 <garyo-home> ok.
19:04:21 <stevenknight> leave 2124 w/Brandon
19:04:34 <stevenknight> I may end up diving in to solve my own problems
19:04:35 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2124, defer but if Brandon doesn't show up, we make it research
19:04:45 * bdbaddog (n=[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])) has joined #scons
19:04:52 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hey, Bill
19:04:55 <garyo-home> Hi Bill.
19:04:59 <stevenknight> but given how much i have going, don't want my name on it to prevent others from making progress
19:05:07 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> concur
19:05:08 <bdbaddog> Good evening!
19:05:10 <stevenknight> hey bill
19:05:17 <garyo-home> We're just getting going.
19:05:22 <stevenknight> 1500:
19:05:35 <garyo-home> wontfix.
19:05:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> wontfix, steven
19:05:38 <stevenknight> i'll WONTFIX like i said i would
19:05:58 <garyo-home> ok. 2161
19:06:00 <stevenknight> 2161
19:06:14 <garyo-home> I think this should be low pri.
19:06:20 <stevenknight> i'm agnostic, my 1.x p3 is partly real, partly just to re-evaluate it later
19:06:30 <stevenknight> agree re: low pri
19:06:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'd push it straight to future
19:06:45 <garyo-home> Someone who wants it & understands it needs to drive it.
19:06:45 <stevenknight> bill, you object to 1.x p4?
19:06:53 <stevenknight> or future? i could go there
19:07:07 <bdbaddog> nope that's fine.
19:07:16 <garyo-home> ok.
19:07:19 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> what pri?
19:07:31 <garyo-home> p4?
19:07:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'd suggest p2 or p3
19:07:35 <stevenknight> p4
19:07:37 <bdbaddog> p4
19:07:42 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> p4 it is.
19:07:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2159
19:08:00 <garyo-home> 2159: greg, 1.0.1
19:08:17 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> consensus
19:08:31 <stevenknight> done
19:08:33 <stevenknight> 2160:
19:09:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Who's an AIX guru?
19:09:14 <garyo-home> not me, sorry. Ask on the list?
19:09:23 <bdbaddog> not me.
19:09:27 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> and not me
19:09:57 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Asking on the list might yield nothing; what do we do if noone shows up?
19:10:14 <garyo-home> ask original poster for a patch, I guess
19:10:22 <stevenknight> that sounds good
19:10:26 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Er, that would be me.
19:10:35 <stevenknight> then it sounds doubly good!
19:10:36 <garyo-home> oops.
19:10:44 <stevenknight> :-)
19:11:00 <garyo-home> Then I guess we guess or else do nothing.
19:11:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I just noticed the problem when I was looking at [GetBuildPath](GetBuildPath) for our last party
19:11:30 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> and wondering what the implications of deprecating it would be
19:11:44 <stevenknight> just a guess from looking at the code, it looks like it should be an argument of '.'
19:12:10 <stevenknight> give it to me, i think i can figure out something semi-reasonable to do
19:12:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK, low priority?
19:12:25 <stevenknight> most likely involving getting rid of the [GetBuildPath](GetBuildPath)() call in favor of Dir()
19:12:27 <stevenknight> yes, p4
19:12:43 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> or even 2.0?
19:12:49 <garyo-home> OK, but without an actual AIX user it won't be much good. p4 1.x or 2.x
19:12:56 <stevenknight> right
19:12:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2.x p2
19:13:03 <stevenknight> done
19:13:12 <stevenknight> 2162: consensus 1.0.1 p3 gregnoel
19:13:25 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:13:31 <stevenknight> 2163: 1.0.x, p?, who?
19:13:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> (my google connection just crashed?)
19:13:43 <garyo-home> mine too!
19:13:53 <stevenknight> ditto...
19:14:17 <bdbaddog> gmail and google apps for domains were out for a bit mid day today.
19:14:25 <stevenknight> not sure what's going on today, i heard gmail had problems that caused a stir
19:14:32 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Ah, it's back...
19:14:36 <stevenknight> ditto
19:14:39 <garyo-home> 2163: since none of us can test it it doesn't matter who puts in the patch. I can do it.
19:14:45 <stevenknight> garyo++
19:14:50 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:15:05 <garyo-home> But I'm not the borland guy :-/
19:15:11 <garyo-home> just saying.
19:15:29 <garyo-home> 2164: same thing. I'll take that too.
19:15:37 <stevenknight> 2164: garyo, thanks
19:15:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> good
19:16:12 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2165
19:16:13 <stevenknight> 2165: leave w/me, or combine with the other race condition, or?
19:16:22 <garyo-home> 2165: Steven, can you merge that into the other race cond ticket?
19:16:26 <stevenknight> sure
19:16:48 <garyo-home> ok. 2166: 1.0.1 greg p2?
19:17:05 <stevenknight> done
19:17:07 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:17:24 <stevenknight> 2167: i'd like 1.0.x
19:17:34 <stevenknight> probably 1.0.1
19:17:44 <stevenknight> transition to subprocess and kill our home-brew stuff asap
19:17:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> it's not a regression
19:17:49 <stevenknight> *sigh* -- good point
19:18:00 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I agree that it's important, but I'd make it 1.x p2
19:18:05 <garyo-home> would you be ok just integrating this patch or should we do the spawn -> subprocess switch all at once?
19:18:05 <stevenknight> 1.1 then?
19:18:12 <garyo-home> yes, 1.x p2.
19:18:15 <garyo-home> sure 1.1.
19:18:18 <bdbaddog> sounds good.
19:18:21 <stevenknight> done
19:18:30 <stevenknight> i'm okay with just the patch -- incremental steps are fine
19:18:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm willing to convert to subprocess incrementally
19:18:37 <garyo-home> ok, good.
19:18:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> who?
19:18:46 <stevenknight> 1.x p2, who?
19:18:49 <garyo-home> Then I'll do it.
19:18:52 <stevenknight> okay
19:18:53 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:19:15 <stevenknight> 2168: anytime, p2, stevenknight
19:19:20 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:19:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> but not until 1.0 is out...
19:19:35 <stevenknight> right
19:19:31 <stevenknight> 2169: 1.0.x, p3, garyo
19:19:37 <garyo-home> 2169: I'll take it.
19:19:44 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:19:57 <stevenknight> 2170: 1.0.x, p2, stevenknight
19:20:06 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:20:21 <stevenknight> 2171: 1.0.x, p3, stevenknight
19:20:44 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok, and depends on 2170
19:20:50 <stevenknight> right
19:20:58 <stevenknight> 2172: let bill and greg arm-wrestle for it...
19:21:05 <stevenknight> anytime p2
19:21:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll do it
19:21:38 <garyo-home> google's down again
19:21:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm still up, although I had a flash a few minutes ago
19:22:02 <bdbaddog> i'm still up too.
19:22:08 <garyo-home> ok, that's the current sheet anyway.
19:22:17 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Oops, I just went down
19:22:24 <garyo-home> Can I ask quickly about schedule? 1.0 is soon, then what?
19:22:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1.0.1
19:22:52 <stevenknight> three-four weeks later, i should think
19:23:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> two weeks to a checkpoint, then push it out a week later
19:23:18 <garyo-home> OK, so we start work on those tickets as soon as 1.0 is out and see how far we get.
19:23:38 <garyo-home> Greg: I like that schedule. I'll be out for a week in mid-Sept though for work.
19:23:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I figure we clear about one issue a day between us, so no more than 15-20 issues in 1.0.1
19:24:00 <garyo-home> Probably right.
19:24:31 <garyo-home> I can do more in a burst but then real life intrudes for a while.
19:24:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Should we talk about the Python floor while waiting for Google to return?
19:24:46 <stevenknight> agreed
19:25:10 <garyo-home> My google is back. But I think 2.3 is OK.
19:25:26 <stevenknight> garyo, if i can actually push out 1.0 tonight or tomorrow, do you have cycles to help w/re-branching this week?
19:25:30 <garyo-home> We can backport fixes to 1.0 for old python users if they scream.
19:25:54 <garyo-home> Steven: not really, but I'll make some. It's important.
19:25:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> And the Olympics will conflict for the next two weeks, so fixing issues will be slower; my [TiVo](TiVo) is recording 20 hours a day
19:26:08 <stevenknight> what's in 2.3 that's really crucial / helpful for internal coding?
19:26:15 <garyo-home> I'm olympics agnostic, so it doesn't affect me at all.
19:26:26 <bdbaddog> ditto (re olympics)
19:26:42 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> The built-in @ stuff on functions
19:26:52 <stevenknight> decorators?
19:26:57 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes
19:27:24 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> It was a royal pain trying to backport tarfile to 2.2, since it uses a lot of decorators
19:27:35 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> and I never did get all of the unused stuff to work
19:27:56 <stevenknight> i see
19:28:33 <stevenknight> absent data to the contrary, not sure if tarfile itself is all that compelling, though
19:28:34 * garyo-home is looking at release notes
19:29:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I was going to research it before the meeting, but when did 2.2 and 2.3 come out? I think 2.2 is 2003, so that's five years ago.
19:29:55 <stevenknight> sounds about right
19:30:16 <stevenknight> oh, no
19:30:25 <stevenknight> 2.2 was 21 December 2001
19:30:35 <stevenknight> 2.3 was 29 July 2003
19:30:56 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OS X is the system fielding the oldest Python I'm aware of, and it had 2.3 in 10.4; 10.5 has 2.5
19:31:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> so 2.3 is what I was recalling; that's already a bit old.
19:32:07 <garyo-home> sets, generators, and a bunch of module changes are what I see in the relnotes.
19:32:07 <stevenknight> how about we poll the ML?
19:32:08 <bdbaddog> RH3 has 2.2.3
19:32:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I think 2.3 is very reasonable, particularly if we don't release 2.0 until 2009; 2.3 will already be almost six years old
19:32:47 <garyo-home> @bdbaddog: Really? We actually use that. But we may have upgraded the python on it.
19:32:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> will [RedHat](RedHat) be updated before 2009?
19:33:13 <stevenknight> [GregNoel](GregNoel): doesn't matter
19:33:16 <garyo-home> Greg: RH3 is already ancient.
19:33:34 <stevenknight> the issue isn't what the cutting edge has, it's how much of the old stuff still exists in enterprise development shops and on user sites
19:33:51 <stevenknight> we have some time before deciding, so i'd suggest we poll the ML
19:34:02 <garyo-home> RH is up to 8 or 9 now. 4 is considered minimal standard by our customers (it has at least 2.3 I'm sure)
19:34:04 <stevenknight> and also follow-up with a reporting module in SCons that lets people send data back to us
19:34:06 <stevenknight> if they choose
19:34:09 <bdbaddog> rh4 is 2.3.4
19:34:34 <bdbaddog> RH5 is 2.4.3
19:34:53 <bdbaddog> RH4 is the mainstream in EDA now.
19:34:59 <bdbaddog> with some on RH5
19:35:24 <garyo-home> Our customers are visual effects people, RH4 is mainstream there. Little RH3 left.
19:35:35 <stevenknight> garyo-home: little or none?
19:36:08 <garyo-home> little. Still some diehards. But shouldn't use that as a guide, they're not going to run scons.
19:36:41 <garyo-home> Polling the ML seems like a good idea.
19:37:02 <stevenknight> right
19:37:11 <garyo-home> Can we start into the 2006h1 spreadsheet?
19:37:12 <stevenknight> should that be a TASK issue so it doesn't get lost?
19:37:12 <bdbaddog> yes. For me and all the clients I've ever had building new python,perl, whatever for use by build system hasn't ever been an issue, though sometimes it had to be staged.
19:37:18 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'd suggest setting the warning floor to 2.3 and see if anyone makes noise
19:37:24 <stevenknight> i'll open it
19:37:30 <bdbaddog> Sounds good.
19:37:32 <garyo-home> stevennight: good.
19:37:34 <stevenknight> [GregNoel](GregNoel): good idea
19:37:35 <bdbaddog> I'm off for a bit back in a while.
19:37:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Google is back; I have 2006H1 up
19:38:17 <garyo-home> me too. 1307 is the first one.
19:38:44 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> only 20 issues are still live
19:38:53 <stevenknight> 1307: anytime, p2, Ludwig?
19:39:03 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
19:39:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done, although GSoC is almost over
19:39:28 * stevenknight nods
19:39:33 <stevenknight> 1308: FIXED
19:39:37 <garyo-home> Hopefully we can rope him in as a regular contributor.
19:40:00 <stevenknight> that'd be cool
19:40:03 <stevenknight> 1310: WONTFIX
19:40:07 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes
19:40:12 <garyo-home> yes.
19:40:35 <stevenknight> 1318: WONTFIX?
19:40:39 <stevenknight> actually, doc the solution
19:40:40 <garyo-home> agreed.
19:40:45 <garyo-home> yes, w/ doc.
19:40:48 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:41:09 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1320
19:41:10 <stevenknight> 1320: WORKSFORME
19:41:17 <garyo-home> agreed.
19:41:17 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:41:36 <stevenknight> 1323: anytime
19:41:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1323, was just on the mailing list...
19:41:50 <stevenknight> oh, yeah
19:42:03 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> wait a sec; let me look
19:42:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) Axel W.
19:42:54 <stevenknight> shall we assign it to him and see if that gets him more involved?
19:43:06 <garyo-home> Interesting idea.
19:43:18 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm for it; he must have a Tigris ID
19:43:20 <stevenknight> it's a future thing anyway
19:43:24 <garyo-home> If he drops it we're no worse off than today.
19:43:28 <stevenknight> right
19:43:29 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> concur
19:43:33 <stevenknight> greg, could you follow up w/him?
19:43:37 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes
19:43:47 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> so Axel anytime?
19:43:50 <stevenknight> done
19:43:58 <garyo-home> 1328: I can do that one I think.
19:43:59 <stevenknight> 1328: 1.x p4 garyo
19:44:04 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:44:19 <stevenknight> 1331: FIXED
19:44:36 <stevenknight> 1332: 1.x, p2, who?
19:44:56 <garyo-home> I think you have to do that one, Steven.
19:45:12 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I don't know the code at all, so I agree
19:46:06 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> hello?
19:46:19 <garyo-home> silence...
19:46:38 <garyo-home> Maybe Steven's looking at the code?
19:46:47 <stevenknight> sorry, other distraction
19:46:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> it happens
19:47:04 <stevenknight> agree i don't have to do 1332
19:47:11 <stevenknight> sorry, have to do
19:47:19 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:47:24 <stevenknight> 1332: 1.x, p2, sk
19:47:46 <stevenknight> 1344: 1.x, p3, mati
19:47:51 <garyo-home> Mati's looking into 1334, not sure of his status on it.
19:47:56 <garyo-home> sorry 1344
19:48:09 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> anytime, mati?
19:48:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> it's GSoC
19:48:28 <garyo-home> Yes.
19:48:29 <stevenknight> i'm okay w/anytime
19:48:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1345
19:48:57 <stevenknight> 1345: 2.x, p3, defer who
19:49:07 <garyo-home> good idea.
19:49:30 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok, I barely remember it.
19:49:52 <stevenknight> 1346: anytime, mati
19:49:54 <garyo-home> no, I meant good idea not to pick someone now :-)
19:50:04 <stevenknight> :-)
19:50:08 <garyo-home> yes. I need to catch up w/ him since my vacation.
19:50:16 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes
19:50:43 <stevenknight> 1350: 1.x, p4, stevenknight
19:50:50 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:50:53 <garyo-home> agreed.
19:51:14 <stevenknight> 1351: 2.x, p4, gregnoel?
19:51:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:51:23 <garyo-home> 1351: as soon as we can use tarfile()
19:51:28 <stevenknight> yes
19:51:53 <stevenknight> 1365: FIXED
19:52:18 <garyo-home> yes, and 1377: wontfix.
19:52:31 <stevenknight> 1377: consensus WONTFIX
19:52:39 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
19:52:25 <bdbaddog> I'm off for the evening. Steven I'll see u at baypiggies
19:52:38 <stevenknight> cool, thanks bill
19:52:41 <garyo-home> bye Bill.
19:52:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> later
19:53:08 <garyo-home> 1382, no good easy general solution.
19:53:13 <stevenknight> agreed
19:53:47 <stevenknight> do we even detect it and handle it gracefully?
19:53:59 <garyo-home> *Maybe* .sconsign could be chowned to real uid on linux/mac though.
19:54:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> That would help most of the issues
19:54:24 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> If you can find them.
19:54:21 <garyo-home> I could do that.
19:54:42 <stevenknight> 1382: 1.x, p3, garyo?
19:54:42 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Even better would be to remove .sconsign before writing it.
19:55:00 <garyo-home> Can't remove it if owned by root unless perms are loose.
19:55:19 <garyo-home> Anyway, could probably do a bit better than today.
19:55:30 <garyo-home> I'll look into it.
19:55:32 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> directory perms control delete; can remove file owned by anyone
19:55:42 <stevenknight> if you own the dir
19:56:00 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> you have to have write on the dir; you need that anyway to build
19:56:01 <stevenknight> or rather, if dir's perms permit it
19:56:23 <stevenknight> true if the .sconsign is in the same directory
19:56:31 <stevenknight> which of course it usually is...
19:56:43 <garyo-home> greg: not true that dir perms control delete, I just tried it on ubuntu.
19:56:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll bet money; check my .sig
19:57:13 <garyo-home> jars@jars-desktop:/tmp$ sudo touch foo
19:57:15 <garyo-home> [sudo] password for jars:
19:57:17 <garyo-home> jars@jars-desktop:/tmp$ sudo chown root.root foo
19:57:19 <garyo-home> jars@jars-desktop:/tmp$ sudo chmod 444 foo
19:57:20 <garyo-home> jars@jars-desktop:/tmp$ rm foo
19:57:22 <garyo-home> rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `foo'? y
19:57:23 <garyo-home> rm: cannot remove `foo': Operation not permitted
19:58:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> /tmp is special; try it on another directory
19:58:24 <stevenknight> right, without sticky bit set
19:58:56 <garyo-home> wow, you're right. I bow to your l33t sk1llz.
19:59:18 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 133t?
19:59:27 <stevenknight> leet == elite
19:59:28 <garyo-home> =elite
19:59:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> oh. thanks for the compliment. I think...
19:59:50 <stevenknight> h4x0r speak
20:00:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> better translate that, too, for my simple mind
20:00:25 <garyo-home> hacker
20:00:39 <stevenknight> (garyo and I sound *so* with it for guys as long in the tooth as we actually are... :-))
20:00:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> more likely cracker...
20:00:55 <garyo-home> mmm, I just read Megatokyo :-)
20:01:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Man, you guys are making me feel ancient!
20:01:16 <stevenknight> anyway, 1382: 1.x, p3, garyo?
20:01:25 <garyo-home> anyway, 1 or 2 more tonight? Yes, I'll take 1382.
20:01:42 <stevenknight> 1385: 1.x, p3, garyo
20:02:01 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll go for that
20:02:02 <garyo-home> Yeah, that one will take a bit of work but worth it.
20:02:07 <stevenknight> 1388: uhh... not sure
20:02:13 <stevenknight> not me not me not me
20:02:17 <stevenknight> please please please
20:02:24 <stevenknight> make the unicode stop hurting
20:02:26 <garyo-home> Maybe more recent python will help?
20:02:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> not to my knowledge.
20:02:46 <stevenknight> help a little, but someone on the ML explained that this is a really really thorny problem
20:02:53 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> stevenknight, do you know the sound a weasel makes as it dies?
20:03:00 <stevenknight> pop?
20:03:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> (squeeky voice) not me not me not me
20:04:06 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I guess you have to be there
20:04:15 <stevenknight> ah, got it -- took a little while
20:04:36 <stevenknight> 1388: 1.x p3 to reevaluate
20:04:46 <garyo-home> ok w/ me.
20:04:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> anyway, i18n is a huge job
20:04:57 <stevenknight> right
20:04:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> maybe even later than that
20:05:06 <stevenknight> i keep hoping some hero will show up...
20:05:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> somebody needs to research it, a hero
20:05:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ah, that's what you said!
20:05:23 <stevenknight> 1388: 1.x, p3, hero
20:05:33 <garyo-home> don't look in my direction
20:05:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok, I'll figure something out
20:05:43 <stevenknight> hey, i kind of like the idea of a nameless "hero" that we can assign things to...
20:05:57 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> except that they wouldn't get done...
20:06:10 <stevenknight> oh, details... :-)
20:06:18 <garyo-home> ok guys, I'm getting punchy. Time for me to go to bed.
20:06:25 <stevenknight> sounds good
20:06:25 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> let's defer it until next time and see if we can kill the rest
20:06:30 <stevenknight> agreed
20:06:33 <stevenknight> same time next week?
20:06:42 <garyo-home> OK, same time next week is ok for me.
20:06:50 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok
20:07:05 <stevenknight> all right -- good night, all
20:07:07 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> pick up here with i18n?
20:07:10 <stevenknight> yes
20:07:16 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> cu then
20:07:16 <garyo-home> l8r :-)
20:07:17 <stevenknight> and I'll go close #1500
20:07:23 <stevenknight> :-) good one
20:07:24 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> thanks
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20:07:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 'nite Gary; I'm off for more Olympics
20:08:07 <garyo-home> have fun!
20:08:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll do that
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