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IrcLog2009 04 08
William Deegan edited this page Jan 14, 2016
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17:29:35 * garyo-home (n=[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])) has joined #scons
17:29:49 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) is no longer marked as being away
17:30:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hi, Gary; Steven's not here yet; you've still got some time for the spreadsheet
17:30:50 <garyo-home> working on it...
17:31:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I've been watching
17:32:35 * stevenknight (n=[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])) has joined #scons
17:32:56 <stevenknight> hola amigos. been a long time since I rapped at ya
17:33:06 <bdbaddog> :)
17:33:12 <garyo-home> Hi Steven.
17:33:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hi, Steven; Gary's about half-way through the spreadsheet
17:33:24 <garyo-home> 55%!
17:33:25 <garyo-home> :-)
17:33:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> garyo-home, don't bother with the consensus lines; I can get them.
17:34:00 <garyo-home> ok
17:34:28 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> stevenknight, hablas espanol?
17:34:36 <stevenknight> no
17:35:03 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> how about jive?
17:35:10 <garyo-home> :-)
17:35:12 <stevenknight> it's a quote from one of The Onion's "regular columnists"
17:35:24 <garyo-home> The druggie one
17:35:25 <stevenknight> chump don' want no help, chump don' get no help
17:35:28 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Ah. Never read them, I'm afraid
17:36:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> anyhoo, should we start?
17:36:21 <stevenknight> sure
17:36:25 <garyo-home> sure, go ahead
17:36:48 * stevenknight rearranges his windows...
17:37:13 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) moves to a different screen
17:37:15 * stevenknight ...and curses Mac's click-to-focus
17:37:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I can't figure out why Gary's on the spreadsheet twice...
17:38:19 <garyo-home> because my laptop's open on the couch.
17:38:43 <garyo-home> not any more.
17:37:58 <stevenknight> 2391: consensus 2.1 p3 stevenknight?
17:38:07 <stevenknight> er
17:38:15 <stevenknight> 2391: consensus 2.1 p2 stevenknight
17:38:48 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes, consensus, but should we contact David directly?
17:39:16 <stevenknight> works for me
17:39:27 <garyo-home> yes
17:39:44 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> The reason I even mention it is that _none_ of the GSoC students are responding to my entreaties to fix their proposals.
17:40:02 <stevenknight> the one i18n guy kind of did
17:40:04 <garyo-home> Hm, that's not good.
17:40:17 <garyo-home> I've been behind on asking for updates myself.
17:40:22 <stevenknight> ditto
17:40:30 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> but not to discuss here; we've got too much to do
17:40:34 <stevenknight> right
17:40:49 <stevenknight> 2391: consensu 2.1 p2 ask David, SK as backup
17:40:54 <garyo-home> perfect
17:40:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:41:10 <garyo-home> 1632 I'll take
17:41:20 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1632, consensus
17:41:27 <stevenknight> done
17:41:38 <stevenknight> 2288: consensus
17:41:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yep
17:41:45 <garyo-home> 2288 actually I think we should just close it.
17:42:04 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hmm... Yeah, I agree.
17:42:13 <stevenknight> works for me
17:42:23 <stevenknight> 2288: close invalid?
17:42:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok, 2388, close worksforme?
17:42:45 <stevenknight> worksforme works for me
17:42:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> my line....
17:42:52 <garyo-home> wfm is ok w' me too
17:43:12 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK, I'll handle that. next?
17:43:22 <stevenknight> 2306: consensus anytime p4 +Easy
17:43:32 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> sigh, yes
17:43:54 <garyo-home> 2363: mine
17:44:04 <stevenknight> 2363: consensus as well
17:44:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:44:15 <garyo-home> I'll have some airplane time in a week, good time to knock off a few bugs
17:44:20 <stevenknight> 2370: consensus
17:44:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2370, done
17:44:46 <stevenknight> 2374: DUP, Greg to figure out specifics
17:44:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:45:31 <garyo-home> 2375: Greg, your call on schedule
17:45:32 <stevenknight> 2375: 2.1, and add to [DeprecatedFeatures](DeprecatedFeatures)
17:45:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> hmmm...
17:46:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Yeah, I'll take care of it
17:47:06 <stevenknight> 2376: 2.x p3 stevenknight
17:47:17 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:47:30 <stevenknight> 2377: 2.1 p3 Ludwig,+Easy
17:47:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:47:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2379, I think we should ignore the rebuilds
17:47:59 <stevenknight> 2379: dup 1673, mark 1673 +Easy
17:48:08 <stevenknight> agree re: ignore rebuilds
17:48:30 <garyo-home> ok then, I'll take it.
17:48:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> If anyone depends on it, they're sunk anyway; the only ones that would rebuild are those who don't care
17:48:48 <garyo-home> (I mean it's a dup)
17:49:16 <garyo-home> It'll cause rebuilds for anyone with two [CheckLib](CheckLib) calls.
17:49:30 <garyo-home> But I'm OK w/ that.
17:49:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Call it a feature, part of the upgrade to 2.0
17:49:56 <garyo-home> It's more autotools-like.
17:50:20 <garyo-home> 2380: Steven?
17:51:15 <stevenknight> 2380: 2.1 p3 +Easy
17:51:17 <garyo-home> (testcase just stats the files and checks the inodes, Un*x only)
17:51:31 <stevenknight> add a note re: needing a test case
17:52:11 <stevenknight> i could do it, but it would be good to try to recruit more people to +Easy issues
17:52:16 <stevenknight> maybe even the person who filed it
17:53:01 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll ask, but I'm not holding my breath.
17:53:08 <garyo-home> I'll send out an email to the list recruiting people to fix +Easy issues
17:53:29 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Good idea
17:53:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> we also need a wiki page about it
17:53:52 <garyo-home> With a query like the bug party one? Great idea.
17:53:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yep
17:54:04 <stevenknight> yes
17:54:04 <garyo-home> Can you do that?
17:54:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Er, if you were going to write a note, just write a wiki page instead?
17:54:49 <garyo-home> OK, I'll do both. I'll look at your existing query for inspiration.
17:55:01 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> (I'm a terrible writer, really.)
17:55:36 <garyo-home> 2381: ask them to try vs_revamp
17:55:46 <garyo-home> (what's the vs_revamp status these days anyway?)
17:56:09 <stevenknight> languishing... :-(
17:56:18 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> (later in the spreadsheet, he mentions that he's about to make a push)
17:56:31 <stevenknight> i think i have some time freeing up, though
17:56:44 <bdbaddog> Hey now. I fixed 1 bug on vs_revamp...
17:56:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> It's the only thing holding up 1.3...
17:56:48 <stevenknight> it's blocking too much stuff
17:56:48 <bdbaddog> not totally stagnant..
17:56:56 <stevenknight> bdbaddog++
17:57:49 <stevenknight> 2381: 1.3 p1 sk, will point them to vs_revamp
17:58:00 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
17:58:23 <stevenknight> 2382: 2.x p3 sk
17:58:39 <stevenknight> that sounds like the right timeframe to look at VS project generation
17:58:39 <garyo-home> good, I had no clue about it (scanner issue or something?)
17:58:48 <stevenknight> or reprioritize it relative to the rest of the big 2.x pile
17:59:14 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) is keeping out of it
17:59:20 <stevenknight> no, it's probably just dumping the CPPPATH strings into the .vcproj file
17:59:30 <stevenknight> without turning them into Nodes to expand things like '#'
17:59:42 <garyo-home> Ok, that would make sense
17:59:17 <garyo-home> 2383: consensus
17:59:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2383, done
18:00:13 <stevenknight> 2384: [GregNoel](GregNoel) is my hero...
18:00:22 <stevenknight> one of 'em, anyway
18:01:13 <garyo-home> 2385: frankly, let's just close as invalid. Enough to do elsewhere.
18:02:17 <stevenknight> 2385: okay, I can go with that
18:02:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm in favor of invalid, but Steven has a point
18:02:22 <stevenknight> 2385: invalid
18:02:39 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:02:40 <stevenknight> yeah, but is it really worth the time when it could be spent elsewhere?
18:02:47 <garyo-home> 'zactly.
18:03:03 <stevenknight> 2386: invalid
18:03:12 <garyo-home> yes
18:03:14 <stevenknight> mention that he should explicitly do these once in a base Environment instance
18:03:32 <stevenknight> and then propagate that to the SConscript files that use it for the variants
18:03:39 <stevenknight> i can update
18:03:47 <garyo-home> great
18:03:52 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:04:10 <stevenknight> 2387: 2.1 p2 +Easy
18:04:35 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> who?
18:05:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> garyo-home, [AppendUnique](AppendUnique) is a good idea..
18:05:40 <garyo-home> sure, but the patch as is is fine too (and a bit faster)
18:05:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> good point
18:06:23 <garyo-home> I could do it with the OP checking the result if time permits
18:06:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Still need a sucke, ah, volunteer
18:06:36 <garyo-home> Or save it as a +Easy
18:06:46 <bdbaddog> what tools needed to test?
18:07:06 <garyo-home> dmd, I guess?
18:07:05 <stevenknight> how about we just put it in?
18:07:08 <stevenknight> DMD is kind of a niche
18:07:30 <stevenknight> if it does break someone it'll be readily identifiable and correctable
18:07:32 <garyo-home> steven: I've done that before, never had any trouble from it
18:07:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> does it need a test?
18:07:54 <stevenknight> no
18:08:07 <stevenknight> for niche Tool modules like this we tend to go with their flow
18:08:10 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK, I'm fine with Gary doing that, then.
18:08:11 <stevenknight> or at least we've done that in the past
18:08:13 <garyo-home> yes, but I think that's easy too, just see how many times it appears on the cmd line
18:08:28 <stevenknight> if you want to add a test, feel free
18:08:31 <garyo-home> :-)
18:08:42 <stevenknight> but i think the time's better spent elsewhere
18:08:51 <garyo-home> hm, good point.
18:08:58 <garyo-home> 5 min vs 45 min.
18:09:05 <garyo-home> (no test vs. test)
18:09:08 <stevenknight> right
18:09:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> right; 2.1 p2, gary, +Easy
18:09:02 <stevenknight> 2387: 2.1 p2 garyo to integrate
18:09:11 <stevenknight> done
18:09:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:09:14 <stevenknight> 2388: invalid
18:09:20 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:09:33 <stevenknight> 2389: doc, i'll volunteer
18:09:39 <garyo-home> great
18:09:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:09:46 <bdbaddog> 2387 I can take if you want, does it need to wait til 2.1?
18:10:02 <garyo-home> No, anytime is fine!
18:10:12 <garyo-home> Thanks!
18:10:19 <stevenknight> okay, 2387: 2.1 p2 bdbaddog +Easy
18:10:23 <stevenknight> cool, thanks
18:10:27 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:10:52 <stevenknight> 2390: worksfor me
18:11:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done
18:11:42 <garyo-home> 2392 is another vs_revamp one
18:12:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2392, 1.3 p1 sk +VS
18:12:19 <stevenknight> done
18:12:24 <stevenknight> excellent work
18:12:25 <garyo-home> whew!
18:12:43 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm surprised we got through all of them so quickly
18:12:44 <stevenknight> and I still have a few minutes before shuttle stop
18:12:50 <stevenknight> lotta consensus in the pre-work
18:12:54 <garyo-home> next week same time, right?
18:12:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes
18:13:01 <stevenknight> yes
18:13:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Although it's a bit early, I'm still under the weather (as you can tell from my typing) so I'm willing to stop here.
18:14:02 <garyo-home> Greg: I need sleep too.
18:14:30 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> What's that? I've only been sleeping 20 hours a day, and I'm still tired.
18:14:56 <garyo-home> Greg: ouch, do you have that sore-throat+exhaustion thing that's going around on the east coast?
18:16:35 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> garyo-home, no, the 24-hour stomach horror that's lasted three days
18:16:55 <garyo-home> Greg: sorry to hear that.
18:17:03 <garyo-home> I'll sign off now, c u all later
18:17:05 <stevenknight> hope you're both feeling better
18:17:10 <stevenknight> see you next week
18:17:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> cul, bye
18:17:41 <bdbaddog> l8r
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