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Thermo-Bluespace Generator (groundside gens rework) #16889

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@breadhunt breadhunt commented Jan 10, 2025

About The Pull Request

[TM because walance + I did all of the mapping at 2am and need to double check it all]

Adds the thermo-bluespace generator to all groundside maps. (Some regular geothermal gens still exist.)

The bluespace gen is a powerful but volatile generation method used on the colonies of the outer rim. Its bluespace fuel source is easy to deliver and incredibly efficient.

Intention is to make gens a secondary objective which gives an actual goal for multiple squads (i.e one on disks; one on gens).

  • Triples disk speed while active (90s per stage -> 30s)
  • However; if xenos destroy it it will enter meltdown and blow up
  • Generator can be repaired after explosions are finished (dunno if this will stay)

Video example of meltdown because github won't let me embed: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500801682058379265/1326905126555881502/generator.mp4?ex=67812032&is=677fceb2&hm=de6aa5e49a27694f43f774d1a055eaf9696c5c767f111d6749abbd77ab92d0e3&

Why It's Good For The Game

Currently all we have for non-disk objectives is req-oriented stuff which 1) is incredibly obtuse to operate and 2) relies on the RO being both competent and present (lol).

This provides a high-risk high-reward secondary objective which should lead to more actual plans (e.g secure gens so that caves disk can be speedran) with still some counterplay for xenos (if they hit gens they get to wipe out that squad pretty easily thanks to explosion forcing them to move)

While I am wary of adding a "sit and wait for xenos to come to you" objective, I think that this one gets a pass for a few reasons:

  • You won't be holding it for the entire round. Something like FOB/tcomms/miner there's no point where you shouldn't be holding it, or xenos will get it. With gens
  • It's directly beneficial. You can hold a miner for an entire round, earn thousands of points, for actual impact on the round. This has a direct, clear impact - and if it doesn't, it's directly your fault.
  • You (should) be forced to hold outside of the area. Hold objectives tend to get samey because it's very clear where you're supposed to defend - the area inside generators. Generator meltdown should make that risky; you have to push aggressively, and choose where around the generator to build your outpost rather than having one fixed "on" the objective.

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add: Thermo-Bluespace Generator. Triples disk speed while active; explodes when destroyed by xenos.
imageadd: tbg.dmi
soundadd: tbg_windup, tbg_winddown, tbg_mid1, tbg_mid2, tbg_mid3, tbg_mid4, tbg_mid5, tbg_alarm
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@tgstation-server tgstation-server added Sprites Changes to .dmi file. Sound Sound change. Map Edit One or more changes to .dmm files. Feature New interesting mechanics with new interesting bugs UI We make things worse, but rounder labels Jan 10, 2025
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Awesome pr, would definitely like to see it tested

I am concerned about the maps with disks directly next to the generator such as ice colony, LV624, lawanka, research outpost, gelida, icy caves, and riptide.

I think the opportunity cost is too low to justify including it in these spots and in some cases on these maps in general.
The way I see it, this should be included on maps where the locations do not currently have a large enough incentive for marines to push the locations. The locations on maps like Daedalus and Kutjevo are both just enough out of the way that marines will rarely visit them, and therefore this new objective works very well on those maps.

Smaller maps like the crash ones may also be too small to justify these, as if marines are ahead it'll likely turn into a very fast win using these.

Overall I am very excited to see new map objectives though I do not believe they will fit into every one of our maps. Keep up the good work!

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Would be nice if this works but not sure marines will bother to split up for it yet, not with how things are balanced lmfao.

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will it have a health bar like a turret or will it need a windup like a miner ,also will it be susceptible to chem clouds like sents and boiler. Because if a sentinel just lobs a nade or boiler rng misses the cades and nails the reactor and that makes it go boom it will be pretty dangerous for marines to bother.

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will it have a health bar like a turret or will it need a windup like a miner ,also will it be susceptible to chem clouds like sents and boiler. Because if a sentinel just lobs a nade or boiler rng misses the cades and nails the reactor and that makes it go boom it will be pretty dangerous for marines to bother.

Windup like miner & isn't affected by clouds

I am concerned about the maps with disks directly next to the generator such as ice colony, LV624, lawanka, research outpost, gelida, icy caves, and riptide.

Agreed but I'd like to try it out anyway

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hey shouldn't you make it so if a xenos is damaged while breaking the gen the cast is broken like with drains

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zzurge commented Jan 13, 2025

Its been a while since someone thought about something for engineers to do other than miners

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hey shouldn't you make it so if a xenos is damaged while breaking the gen the cast is broken like with drains

Please no, that would mean it's only possible to destroy when xenos have already won

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